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Understanding Reltionship of Google Drive and Google Photos
August 2, 2016
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Sue Wharton
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After going to all your seminars at Escapade(all were great!) I decided to try Google Photos. Having worked in computers I don’t put my trust in them too easily but I need to understand what is going on storage wise before I move forward. As I see it I have Google Photos, Google Drive and I also have Google Backup of Photos.

My understanding is that Google Photos stores in your Google Drive but the storage space(if configured correctly) does not count against the Google Drive allotment

I then have Google Photo Backup up and am under the impression that the backup is also on my Google Drive. If this is true I am seeing red flags if I ever lose my Google Drive. All eggs in one basket problem. In my way of thinking this is not a “true” backup. Also, how can I turn off Photo Backup. It was using too much bandwidth so I right clicked it and said quit. Then I noticed a while later it started up again without my OK.

Thank you so much for educating me on everything I have been ignoring and missing.

August 10, 2016
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Hello Sue,

After your email, I searched the forum for your question and found this. So Sorry. I do remember answering this – Google Drive / Google Photos relationship is quite complicated – and I wrote a long answer. But I see that it is not here – don’t know what happened, it didn’t get saved. Thanks for your email – it’s always good to check.

OK, so …

Google Photos is separate, yet connected to Google Drive. I don’t think even the developers fully understand it! Here is what I know:

  1. Both Google Drive and Google Photos are part of your Google Account storage.
  2. If you upload pictures to Google Photos, you will see a menu item at drive.google.com called Google Photos.
  3. If you use Google Drive Settings to make a Google Photos folder in MY DRIVE, then you have a different view of google photos where you can arrange them into folders. It used to automatically put them into a tree structure folder for years and months.
  4. There is only one picture – if you delete it using Google Drive, it is gone when you look at Google Photos
  5. The only way to get the “High Quality” size that gives unlimited storage is to upload using google Photos, photos uploaded to Drive count against your storage allotment.

If your goal is to have a secondary cloud storage system for your pictures, Google Drive does not do the trick. You know I love Google Photos, but I also let Microsoft OneDrive take all my pictures from my phone as well. That is my second copy / backup.

Here is the official Google Help page on Drive/Photos

I welcome further discussion on this

August 10, 2016
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I usually use Photoshop Elements as my primary photograph system and am just liooking into Google Photos, Blogger and Goggle My Maps to replace my normal way of communicating with friends about our travels. I generally have a hard time learning new software, probably due to my background. I like to understand the logic behind what is being done. My confusion was in the use of the words “back up”. Means one thing to me but obviously not to others.

I currently use Novabackup for my daily and weekly backups of my PC. I will add Google Drive and One Drive to the backup procedure. 

I have installed Photo Backup also but was using too much bandwidth so  I did a right click and said QUIT. A few hours later I noticed it had restarted. Do you know how to turn off Photo Backup so it doesn’t restart? I currently uninstalled it.

I have additional questions but need to play around and see if I can resolve them myself. The questions also belong in a different area of the forum.

 

Thanks for your quick reply once you found my note.Smile

August 10, 2016
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I agree about the term Backup.  With Google Photos on a smartphone, you turn on the Backup and Sync feature to automatically upload all photos taken with that phone to your Google Account in the cloud. So far, so good – the phone pictures are “Backed Up” to the cloud. Then you can delete the pictures from your phone and still see them using the Google Photos app because it uses the cloud copy. That’s great … but it is no longer a “Backup” in my definition! The cloud copy is now your only copy.

I used to use Picasa in the same way you use Photoshop Elements. ALL my pictures, from every camera, collected on my computer. I reviewed them with Picasa – fixed them up a bit, identified my best pictures and uploaded them to Web albums for sharing online. So:

  1. Collect ALL on computer
  2. Upload the best to web

Now I do the same things, but I have reversed the process between computer and web. Because of how easy it is with Google Photos (and unlimited and free) – I collect ALL my photos online in my Google Account. I review them with the Google Photos app, maybe fix them up a bit, definitely identify my best and put them into albums for sharing. Then, usually once each month, I download those albums of my best to the computer for “Backup” So:

  1. Collect ALL on Web
  2. Download best to computer

It is just amazing to have all-the-time, anywhere, access to ALL my photos using Google Photos and my online library of all 50,000 pictures. Yet, I can still use Picasa anytime I want by downloading photos I want to work with.

I am not familiar with Novabackup or Photo Backup. It sounds like Uninstall is a good option.

August 10, 2016
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Novabackup I had to pay $$ for but it has been well worth it. I can pick and choose down to which file I want to backup, same thing for the restore. It does not impact any of my access to the PC. I still backup my Photoshop Elements using their backup weekly if I made any changes.

I think Photo Backup is part of Google Photos someplace.

August 12, 2016
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August 12, 2016
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That might be. Sorry if I confused you. I am muddle with information overload, all your fault, but I am enjoying it.

Since my definition of backup and Googles are different I will continue using my method, I like to be in control.

October 10, 2017
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Well, like I always said, these IT types don’t want you to understand it – just do as your told!

All I’ve been trying to do is backup my photos – I don’t care what they call it!!

And I still do not understand why I need Google Drive!  It’s full – and hasn’t got the 1st picture on it!!  Been using gmail for over 2 decades and never missed GD!  Yet, now i have to pay in order for my Google Photos Backup & Sync, Google Downloader or whatever the hell they’re calling it this week, to work!!  Maybe tomorrow – PayPal gives Google their money in nano-seconds – it could take 24 hrs before the storage will be adjusted to the 100gb!!

And ‘Recover Storage’ to make all my pics HQ, to gain room on my GD, was also an exercise in futility – there were none on it!!

Good Grief, CB!!!

This kinda software, mumbo jumbo BS just takes a lot of the fun out of it!

RIP Picasa – cause we, you’re loyal subjects – are not!!

Thanks!

Bon Chance!!
Jim, 1RCS

October 11, 2017
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Jim, I also don’t understand why you had to buy more storage because of your photos. If you use high quality, they should not be taking up any of your Google free storage space.

I made these quick videos last night after reading your question. Please watch and then come back and tell me exactly what is reported in your Storage usage for Drive, Gmail, and Google Photos

How to see what is using your Google Storage

How to recover Google Photos storage

October 11, 2017
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Just a quick response before I chk out your vids:

There is nothing on the drive except GMail stuff – almost 30GB – I don’t have that many attachments, etc.!

It uploaded my additional GBs this morning – now have 100gb on the drive.

Every time I ‘Open’ ‘Backup And Sync’, it just downloads it again!!

Never ‘Opens’ so I can choose file preferences – right now it just says (not at home now but I think it said something like Desktop, Documents and C – when I opened the directory to choose pictures it balked because the drive was full!!

Thanks!

Bon Chance!!
Jim, 1RCS

October 11, 2017
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To clean out your Gmail, check out this article: https://geeksontour.com/2017/0…..-thrilled/

To limit what Backup and Sync is doing, check out this piece of a recent Button Show: Backup and Sync

October 11, 2017
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Where is the archive arrow hidden. I sure don’t see it and I have looked under all menus.

October 12, 2017
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Sue, I’m not sure what Archive arrow you’re referring to?

If Google Photos, you can select photo(s) then tap the 3-dot menu in upper right – Archive is under there.

October 12, 2017
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I thought we had morphed into Gmail. This was a Gmail question.

October 15, 2017
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Ah – got it. The archive arrow in Gmail is the first tool button over top of your message. It looks like a little folder with a down arrow.

October 16, 2017
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AH, I was in Trash looking for it. I will need to remember to Archive from the Inbox. Thanks

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